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Post by Zero on Apr 7, 2013 20:38:02 GMT -6
Black Arts - a touchy subject. What is Black Arts? Everyone has their own definition, their own standards for what classifies something between being Dark Arts or Black Arts.
My personal definition is this: Black Arts, any being that will always cause harm, no matter what. It cannot, ever, under any circumstance for any unwarranted reason, do anything good. They will never willing help anyone, unless there is something very beneficial involved with it for them, and even then they will only help by their standards. Black Arts beings simply have no choice what-so-ever what they do; everything they do is for the sake of harm. The exact opposite of White Arts.
Black Arts, no matter what, is dangerous. Even people with a great deal of training and experience behind them are not exempt from the dangers involved with working with a BA being. Certainly having training and experience will help a great deal to keep you safe, but anyone who says they can work with BA no problem, as if it's as easy as working with a WA Unicorn, that person is a f*****g idiot. That, or they're not working with true BA.
I've come across conjurers on ebay before who would list entities and spirits as being absolute BA, and in the description they said the being was 'easy to control', 'willing and ready to help in all their keeper asks', you know, all that nice stuff.
Let me let you in on something.... Those listings were not, under any terms, BA. Why is that? Well, the answer is in the very description. Black Arts beings are not easy to control; in fact, it's basically impossible to control a Black Arts being (a TRUE Black Arts being). Also, BA beings don't want to help anyone just because they can. They would only ever help someone if there was something incredibly beneficial involved for them. Even then, things are done THEIR way, no matter what.
BA is not something just anyone should get involved with. Ever. Under any circumstances. I've seen people say "Oh, I'm different! I know I can do it and be safe! Cuz I'm awsum!" 3 weeks later, they were lucky to be alive at the end of it all.
I only wish I was exaggerating.
So, anyone who is thinking of working with BA's, trust me, it's not something just anyone should get involved in. Ever.
When looking at conjure listings, it's important to ask the conjurer in question how they, as individuals, classify BA.
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Post by KeCo on Apr 9, 2013 13:39:26 GMT -6
I'm glad you started this thread!
I will never ever deal in anything BA...and i hope no one takes what you said lightly...BA isn't a joke and it isn't something to mess around with.
There is one seller who i buy from that sometimes will post BA listings and makes it seem...not so bad.
Also...I believe that BA listing will try and lure you into ordering them...not from the description but from the entity/spirit itself...so be careful.
All i have to say about this really is -You'll be more than sorry if you don't know what you are doing and if you order BA because you think you are cool...you're stupid-
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Post by kennon on Apr 10, 2013 20:03:50 GMT -6
I've seen listings of BA from a legit seller but luckily she didn't sugar coat anything.
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Post by Scarlett Marie on Apr 10, 2013 21:37:49 GMT -6
I'm...I just don't like Black arts, Anything. You're right it's nothing to play around with. All those scary stories, about the REAL things that go bump in the night...People who actually call upon these BA spirits and say they have an understanding, or a control over what their doing...It's just scary. I recently started learning to become a Wiccan, and my mom and my best friend are worried that I'm messing around with those sort of things, when honestly...This dump scares the heck out of me! (Excuse the language)
I used to have a best friend, in 8th grade, who, dealt in that sort of thing, and would allow some of these beings to I guess you could say "Over take" her.
Just another reason why I stay the hell away from this crap. I won't ever cast a spell or a charm unless I KNOW it's only doing good, for myself. Or the people around me. Even then I'm too inexperienced to do anything for other people. I wouldn't want to screw up and do something horrible on accident. The only thing I've done for some one other then my self, would have to be my best friend, and that was make her a simple Good luck charm. It's taken me forever just to get used to normal spirits let alone anything else. D:
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Post by KeCo on Apr 11, 2013 7:35:01 GMT -6
I've seen listings of BA from a legit seller but luckily she didn't sugar coat anything. If you are talking about Lilith...i'm going to disagree with you and say that she does sometimes sugar coat some of her listings. Sometimes when she puts up these listings...the descriptions will say how great they are for protection and defense (but at what cost to the keeper?) Some say how they will help you get ahead in personal growth or financially (but at what cost to the keeper?) Then let us butter it up with sex is a must! <- what happens when the keeper doesn't want sex when the BA entity/spirit does? They will teach you what they know...sure they will, soon as you snap your fingers they'll be right there. -_-0 Sure there are the warnings This spirit/entity is great at protection and defense...DANGEROUS... ^To whom is this dangerous? Duh Kee, my enemies...sure, that is partly true, but its also dangerous to the keeper. This isn't for the inexperienced keeper ^ What is an experienced keeper? Do we go by how many weeks/months/years a person has been spirit keeping? How many spirits a person has in their keep? Reputation? The keeper with the well rounded companions? Or the one who clearly shows adept knowledge in the metaphysical and backs up/defends their statements. <-that right there is an experienced person...but that doesn't make them experienced enough for BA does it? People really need to understand what constitutes as WA/DA/BA I know when i look at Liliths listings i'm filling in the blanks of what a BA spirit/entity is without even thinking about it because i have an understanding of WA/DA/BA Then we have new keepers who see these descriptions, without a good understanding of WA/DA/BA, who go "oh lookie, i gets the sex and i gets the protections! They is going to attack my enemies! I can't wait to tell my fwends!" ...these are the ones who are going to be in trouble. BA spirits/entities aren't just going to hop into your house and obey your every commands...not to mention the ones who get BA without doing anything with it. Because that's safe. *rolls eyes* Don't even get me started on some of the listings..that aren't even BA...that are for children... I'm not hating on Lilith...i actually like her a lot. I order from her and i ask her questions...Do i agree with how some of the descriptions are..Heck no...Might as well say some of them are DA instead of BA from how lightly she describes them. That is sugar coating. I suppose everyone views things differently. Before i forget...It isn't just WA/DA/BA that people need to understand...there are so many other factors you need to look at when thinking about bringing BA spirit/entity into your home. |
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Post by Zero on Apr 11, 2013 13:17:20 GMT -6
I've seen listings of BA from a legit seller but luckily she didn't sugar coat anything. If you are talking about Lilith...i'm going to disagree with you and say that she does sometimes sugar coat some of her listings. Sometimes when she puts up these listings...the descriptions will say how great they are for protection and defense (but at what cost to the keeper?) Some say how they will help you get ahead in personal growth or financially (but at what cost to the keeper?) Then let us butter it up with sex is a must! <- what happens when the keeper doesn't want sex when the BA entity/spirit does? They will teach you what they know...sure they will, soon as you snap your fingers they'll be right there. -_-0 Sure there are the warnings This spirit/entity is great at protection and defense...DANGEROUS... ^To whom is this dangerous? Duh Kee, my enemies...sure, that is partly true, but its also dangerous to the keeper. This isn't for the inexperienced keeper ^ What is an experienced keeper? Do we go by how many weeks/months/years a person has been spirit keeping? How many spirits a person has in their keep? Reputation? The keeper with the well rounded companions? Or the one who clearly shows adept knowledge in the metaphysical and backs up/defends their statements. <-that right there is an experienced person...but that doesn't make them experienced enough for BA does it? People really need to understand what constitutes as WA/DA/BA I know when i look at Liliths listings i'm filling in the blanks of what a BA spirit/entity is without even thinking about it because i have an understanding of WA/DA/BA Then we have new keepers who see these descriptions, without a good understanding of WA/DA/BA, who go "oh lookie, i gets the sex and i gets the protections! They is going to attack my enemies! I can't wait to tell my fwends!" ...these are the ones who are going to be in trouble. BA spirits/entities aren't just going to hop into your house and obey your every commands...not to mention the ones who get BA without doing anything with it. Because that's safe. *rolls eyes* Don't even get me started on some of the listings..that aren't even BA...that are for children... I'm not hating on Lilith...i actually like her a lot. I order from her and i ask her questions...Do i agree with how some of the descriptions are..Heck no...Might as well say some of them are DA instead of BA from how lightly she describes them. That is sugar coating. I suppose everyone views things differently. Before i forget...It isn't just WA/DA/BA that people need to understand...there are so many other factors you need to look at when thinking about bringing BA spirit/entity into your home. Lilith has her own individual definition of what constitutes BA from DA, just like other sellers. A majority of her BA listings are actually just extremely DA/borderline BA. Every now and again I'll see a listing of hers as BA that I think may actually be true BA. But, seeing as everyones definition is different, it's a bit more difficult to set the exact bar. Nonetheless, like Kee, I love Lilith's listings! (I'll admit, I've actually got my eye on an entity in her shop currently who is very close to BA.  He remains with enough free will to be DA, though.) I think Lilith does an excellent job of marketing her listings. When she says that a being is BA or practices BA, that shows right there that obviously that is a being not to be toyed with. When she adds the parts to some that they are good for protection and such, that immediately proves that the being in question isn't true BA or all BA practices. Still, though, the very mention of BA in the listing is her taking responsibility and showing, straight up, these are not to be toyed with, messed with, not for inexperienced keepers. I agree. There are so many people who don't understand what separates WA/DA/BA. And then there are people who think that BA and DA are the same thing. Then there are those who think that DA isn't dangerous and only BA is. UGH. Or, here's what I love, people who think that WA is weak and feeble in comparison to BA (NOT true), so they go out and get a BA being thinking they'll be all powerful by morning. And then, the next morning, they're calling an exorcist. XD (I'm snarky, aren't I?  ) When looking into a listing offered from a conjurer that is listed as BA, Kee, you made some great points about what to take into consideration. For financial gain, at what cost will it be to? For protection, what will the cost be? With true BA, there is ALWAYS a cost. Always. When looking into a BA being, one of the most important things to ask (aside from what that conjurers specific definition of BA is) is 'For what reason does this being want to work with humans?' From there, you have decide for yourself if the answer provided is worth the risks involved with bringing the being into your companionship. |
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Post by Zero on Apr 11, 2013 13:29:40 GMT -6
I used to have a best friend, in 8th grade, who, dealt in that sort of thing, and would allow some of these beings to I guess you could say "Over take" her. WTF?! Was she just invoking them, or actually allowing them to posses her?  That's just... That is how people get hurt and/or killed!  |
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Post by Scarlett Marie on Apr 11, 2013 18:36:28 GMT -6
I used to have a best friend, in 8th grade, who, dealt in that sort of thing, and would allow some of these beings to I guess you could say "Over take" her. WTF?! Was she just invoking them, or actually allowing them to posses her? That's just... That is how people get hurt and/or killed! Uhmm, I don't remember? All I remember was that she was talking to me one minute, turned her head the next and started calling herself the devil! O.O |
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Post by KeCo on Apr 11, 2013 18:37:55 GMT -6
LOL!!! Next thing you know her heads doing a 360 while projectile vomiting! XD
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Post by Scarlett Marie on Apr 11, 2013 18:57:22 GMT -6
Ugh!! Gross! xP lol
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2013 17:03:57 GMT -6
Exercise caution always.
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Post by Zero on May 9, 2013 21:42:31 GMT -6
WTF?! Was she just invoking them, or actually allowing them to posses her? That's just... That is how people get hurt and/or killed! Uhmm, I don't remember? All I remember was that she was talking to me one minute, turned her head the next and started calling herself the devil! O.O Haha, sounds like a girl I'd have fun messing with. I'd so provoke it, just to see what kind of dump I could stir up. >  In all seriousness, though... WTF?! Idiot girl. -_- That's how demons get bad reps. |
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He remains with enough free will to be DA, though.)
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That's just... That is how people get hurt and/or killed! 
